Hello!

I have a curious "problem" with a married couple. I've checked the Debugging mode and it shows that when I have Trait Scoring for User-directed set to True, the Woohoo & Try For Baby interactions return a "Target scoring fail" tooltip when controlling the wife. When controlling the husband, Woohoo is available but Try For Baby is "Target scoring fail". (This is with "Replace Woohoo with Risky" enabled. When it's disabled, she will only do Risky [no Try For Baby or Woohoo, so weird] and he will do Risky and Woohoo [no Try For Baby.])

This makes sense to me to an extent, because he has the Commitment Issues trait, so I figure that's why there's a difference between them about making babies. However, I don't understand why Woohoo would be unavailable for her as well. I had her Scan Room, her attraction to him is 275. She's in a great mood, their relationship is maxed, etc. Then when I turn off Trait Scoring for User-directed, all the options for Woohoo show up properly.

So I'm wondering what Traits cause what issues to prevent Woohoo? I couldn't find info on this in the provided Documentation. I would understand if one sim was Good and the other was Evil (lol) but her traits are:

Vegetarian
Rebellious
Artistic
Couch Potato
Brave

and the husband's are:

Commitment Issues
Bookworm
Computer Whiz
Mooch
Perfectionist

I'm guessing this Trait Scoring result also means that, left to their own devices, they will never autonomously Woohoo? Seems a bit sad. Help me save their sex life lmao

RoonyaSR wrote: ↑

April 10th, 2024, 9:31 am

Vegetarian
Rebellious
Artistic
Couch Potato
Brave

Sims with Rebellious and Brave will always prefer Risky Woohoo over TFB as it gives them more excitement.

RoonyaSR wrote: ↑

April 10th, 2024, 9:31 am

Commitment Issues
Bookworm
Computer Whiz
Mooch
Perfectionist

Sims with Commitment issues tend to avoid TFB like it's the plague.

Preferring Risky as a Rebellious Sim makes sense, sure. But having normal Woohoo greyed out? And I usually like to play with "Replace Woohoo with Risky", but this makes both options unavailable for her (you'd think Woohoo would be available in that situation, since it's supposed to be Risky by a different name). I don't want them to have more children so it's not really an issue, I guess. I just didn't picture them as a dead bedroom couple/involuntarily celibate

I kind of think that trait scoring for user controlled is just not a very helpful setting for ordinary play? I always play with it off if I'm really controlling the sim. I can't think of a situation where I'd need it for active sims who are both in the active household.

I think that setting might be better for when your sim is single and courting inactives, and you don't want to force them into a relationship with an inactive sim whose traits don't match up well with your active one.

Does the tooltip for the wife say anything else? I found an older thread where the scoring fail also noted "InterestInRomance", and Chain elaborated that the scoring system has an element of randomness to create sims who have varying interest in romantic interactions. It could be that the RNG here basically chose your sim to be uninterested in woohoo.

Mismatched action availability also doesn't necessarily mean the sim would refuse that interaction if they were the target of it. The user-directed restriction is enforcing autonomy rules, allowing you to only pick what that sim would pick via what interaction 'won' at trait-scoring. A sim who wouldn't autonomously pick safe woohoo may still accept that interaction from one who would... I think? The lines between the Woohooer / EA / various-options-toggled rulesets get blurry after a while :p

CardinalSims wrote: ↑

April 12th, 2024, 7:58 pm

Chain elaborated that the scoring system has an element of randomness to create sims who have varying interest in romantic interactions. It could be that the RNG here basically chose your sim to be uninterested in woohoo.

I was actually referring to the raw scoring listed in the scoring package, there's no RNG going on.

CardinalSims wrote: ↑

April 12th, 2024, 7:58 pm

Mismatched action availability also doesn't necessarily mean the sim would refuse that interaction if they were the target of it.

This. The keyword here is target. It means, the Sim you are targeting is failing scoring.

RoonyaSR wrote: ↑

April 10th, 2024, 9:31 am

(This is with "Replace Woohoo with Risky" enabled. When it's disabled, she will only do Risky [no Try For Baby or Woohoo, so weird] and he will do Risky and Woohoo [no Try For Baby.])

As sittingbear noted, his Commitment Issues trait is causing the TFB fail and her Rebellious and Brave traits are scoring her higher for Risky vs Woohoo.

RoonyaSR wrote: ↑

April 12th, 2024, 2:15 pm

But having normal Woohoo greyed out?

It's gated to stop them from autonomously choosing it as she prefers risky.

RoonyaSR wrote: ↑

April 12th, 2024, 2:15 pm

(you'd think Woohoo would be available in that situation, since it's supposed to be Risky by a different name)

This might actually be an oversight or just the way it had to be designed. I'll have to research.

Thank you everyone for your replies and for shedding light on this mystery!

@CardinalSims The tooltip definitely only listed "Target scoring fail", nothing about "InterestInRomance" in this case.

@Chain_Reaction If you would discover that the Risky-Woohoo replacer scoring can be fixed, that would be pretty sweet.

So I guess for now I'll play without Trait Scoring for User-directed. I suppose they can still technically do it autonomously with this Trait Scoring if the husband initiates Woohoo. Or if I keep Risky and Woohoo as separate interactions, she could also initiate Risky.

For the Commitment Issues, I will give an example of a sim in Barnacle Bay, Dina Caliente. And she is not the only one.

I have never actively played her, but in every game I play, (and I almost play always with Barnacle Bay, since it's the most stable), she ends up with at least 4 children. The last time I played, she had 6 children with 3 sims, and she was going for another, so I had to change her SP to not allow her to participate in another pregnancy, because suddenly there were a lot of children in the town and it was lagging.
Each and every time I play, she ends up with at least 4 children.

Her sister, Nina, another one with commitment issues, the last time had 2 children, another time she had three. She always has at least one child. So I don't think that the Commitment Issues trait is related.


Based on my experience with the couples I make and play, (but also observing my single sims, to whom they react autonomously) the attraction (romance, woohoo) between the sims has to do with common traits and zodiac compatibility. Also, there are hidden traits too, which usually are connected with the main traits, and which play an important role.

Your couple do not have any trait in common with each other, (and I'm not sure, but maybe some traits are in conflict). So there is no common ground, let's say, even if their relationship is maxed.

I can not stop my couples from flirting and woohooing, they are at it all the times, no matter what. Nothing else matters, but flirting and woohoing. Scan rooms (both) above 550 and going up, in one instance it was around 670. But there are always at least 2 or usually 3 traits same for each, and compatible zodiac signs.

You could try to change the traits, to give them one or two same traits, and see if there is any change. Let's say make them both Artistic, or both Computer Whiz, or both Artistic and Computer Whiz. Try the mental traits first. Give them compatible zodiac signs. And see what happens.

Celia73 wrote: ↑

April 17th, 2024, 7:06 pm

Also, there are hidden traits too, which usually are connected with the main traits, and which play an important role.

Hidden Traits are Main Traits. Sims get them in 3 ways inherit them from their parents, reaching certain career levels or through repeated interactions. And none play a part in relationship scoring.

or Stop them flirting with others in whohooer if they are partners, married.
Woohooer-FAQ#How-Do-I-Control-Flirting- ... rried-Sims

This works good for me, I don't like my sims to mess around with others so I did a very strict setting.