Just kidding on the subject line, of course...and laughing as I download this new gift to us.

Am trying to figure out how, without actually having tried it yet, my working professionals can leverage this new feature when they as opposed to the customer are the active household. Will inactives order services autonomously or would that be in a future version?

Most of the things I end up adding are things Twallan left in his notes that he wanted to do. This was one of them.

The random interaction is need autonomous so the inactives very well could run it. There's no nudge currently though and the interaction has posture constraints which means they'd have to be sitting idle in front of a computer before it was picked. Definitely can be improved in the future.

Okay, tried both regular and random on a couple of inactives, a couple of times each. They tap on the keyboard for a bit, no selection or budget choices appear, they put the laptop away and autonomously find something else to do. Waited a sim hour and nobody showed up or appears to be on the way. Must be missing a step or something here. Is 2 am considered daytime and, if that's all it is, can we tune the hours of operation?

Thanks for hiding those broken skill setting adjustments!

^Urp sorry, meant on a couple of actives (customers) in the first line.

I know I used a rather eye-catching subject line, but could someone tell me in the world this post well-buried in an updates feedback page got 397 views in just a few hours?

I actually spent ages trying to figure out why they kept exiting out of the interaction when I discovered that any low motive causes computer interactions to exit. I see why twallan didn't loop the typing animations for his other interactions. I may have to change it.

Still having fun testing this out, hope you don't mind being bored with all the details.

Second try. Moodlets maxed on the customer (prob overkill, and seems counter-intuitive esp for fun and social but this is already on your radar). Got a list of one professional to choose from -- facepalm, forgot that the others in this world are all teens so I guess no cross-generational services allowed just like at Club Rendezvous. Selected the one choice and got "Sorry, something came up and I can't come over right now." Tried random and no service providers were available. Probably Celebrity Level fail.

Third try. Moodlets maxed on the customer, at least six age and gender appropriate resident professionals in town with skills all over the map. Only three showed up on the list to select (cute fake names, by the way), chose the most expensive at 1200 s. The pro arrived on the lot and my sim was instantly charged the provider's KS rate instead, which is only 360 s. The provider did not get to keep the money. Provider entered the house, walked past my sim, sat down and joined another household member watching television for about an hour while my sim just stood there. This is "cutting to the chase"? Eventually I switched off the tv on them and, with no flirting or chatting up, a woohoo sequence fired. They went upstairs, and (to my surprise) did Risky. My sim got charged a second 360 s, which the pro did get to keep.

Maybe this still wasn't the greatest test. Both customer and provider are very flirty, have decent KS skills, and found each other remarkably attractive, so it's possible that this whole service sequence failed and autonomous Risky happened independently of Ordering Services.

An additional suggestion, if this is still a work in progress -- was surprised to see no NPCs on the selection list like there usually are at Club R. Is it not possible to mix real residents with the Club R crowd on the selection list?

With my test, I have nothing on that lot which is overly fun, so when I called over Grim, they just went upstairs to woohoo. Grim is an inactive in this save (there is also one that is an NPC).

I didn't really have much trouble since I usually give a lot of my inactives some KS points and I don't usually play with celebrity on.

I'll try it on a different save or a new save later today

I like details. The more the merrier. It's much better if I can pin point things in the code rather than having to wait for the game to load to see myself what it's doing wrong and details help prevent that

Yes I know it's counter-intuitive and rather annoying how EA setup those computer interactions. I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to have them type without it exiting. I don't really want them to sit down and barely tap the keyboard and the script fires like registering as a professional does. It sorta kills the mood of browsing.

As for teens, are you sure those are available to non-teens at the spa? I actually borrowed the matching function from the rendezvous code and from what I see he only allows teens if the requesting Sim is a teen.

As for the service Sims... I'd have to active professional status on some of them to make them available there which means you'd also have to pay the fee at the spa. Is that ideal?

The money issues have been noted. I completely forgot to sort those after chasing the exiting issue for way longer than I'd care to admit.

The failure of the pushes is probably the only one I can't easily help with. I can't say for sure the celebrity thing played a role. And I'm sure the second push of risky was just autonomous. Sims can be really temperamental and sometimes follow pushes and sometimes they balk at them and do what they please. I could try to nag them via an alarm but that can also be hit and miss.

What I meant was, apparently teens can only order services from other teens and adults from other adults, just like at Club R. Is the Club R age matching restriction entirely necessary or could it perhaps in the future be a player-controlled option for both at the spa an online orders? Some of my working professionals get a rather early start in their careers.

Not sure about the Service Sims question even though it was my suggestion. Pay at the spa as in pay in person? That sounds awkward. Or maybe you meant having to pay two fees. Maybe this idea should go on the far back burner, but I am sure many players have worlds with no current working professional residents at all (actually, I have a couple of those myself surprising as it may seem) and was trying to think what might be helpful in such a case.

Had figured that the money thing was not quite working as intended yet.

On the push failure, I did fail to mention that while the service provider was watching tv instead of doing what they were ordered up to do, my game lagged like crazy (and much more so than this world ever does). It was also odd that my active customer stood there for an entire hour as if waiting for something to happen, with no free will type actions appearing in his queue. I wonder if the provider was continuously being pushed to perform but was fighting back the entire time. It was a very nice tv, but still...needs more testing I guess. Would there have been a way to debug or figure out if the entire scenario was still active at the time? I did a DE "Who am I?" on the provider during that hour but didn't see any useful information there and wasn't sure what to look for.

I also thought it was unusual that a later Scan Room on the customer revealed an attraction score of well over 400. These two had never even met before, knew very little about each other at that point (maybe a trait or so by that time), and had a relationship score of just over 50 probably due to the charisma head start; I have some happily settled in monogamous couples who don't always score over 400 on attraction. If it wasn't the scenario affecting that, wonder if I randomly stumbled across what could just be a very compatible pair of sims. But "Oh, hi didn't see you standing there nice television you have let's do risky woohoo" while entirely possible is still a bit much even for these two under more typical conditions.