Question re Traveler and marriage

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Question re Traveler and marriage

Post by Senorita_Ugly » June 20th, 2018, 4:04 am

Hello! I had a Sim travel from Monte Vista to Hidden Springs, and set 'Treat as Vacation' to false. Before travelling her back to Monte Vista (using the travel interface as opposed to waiting for the travel clock to expire and send her home automatically), my Sim purchased a vacation home in Hidden Springs. On her return to Monte Vista, she married a resident Sim and moved into his abode. But when i checked the household real estate via the phone, it would appear that she's lost her vacation home in Hidden Springs as well as her vacation status in Monte Vista. I suspect her marriage to a resident Sim is what broke the game in this instance, but was hoping someone could confirm? Many thanks!

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Post by igazor » June 20th, 2018, 6:17 am

Afraid I have a different explanation as to what happened here. By vacationing in HS but traveling back to MV instead of using Return Home, the vacation mode system got broken. This is an example of the correct procedures not being followed.

If your sim is in HS in vacation mode and you wish to make them a permanent resident there, the sequence to follow is to have them purchase a vacation home in HS, move into it fully, invoke Traveler's Change Hometown, save (as), quit to desktop or Origin, and reload. Then we can consider vacationing them back to MV properly from there as HS will fully be their homeworld. See the Switching Homeworlds section towards the end of this FAQ.
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Treat as Vacation > False is not a method for ending a vacation and becoming a resident. What that does is stop (pause) the travel clock and allow your visiting sims to go to work/school and a few other small things. To end a vacation properly and return home, one then changes Treat as Vacation back to True so that the travel clock can resume where it left off, and then they can Return Home (early by command if wanted).

Sims from World A can vacation in World B and then take a side trip to World C if desired as long as one returns back through World B before finally returning home. That's why it's possible to travel (again) when one is already on a vacation. But by not ending the vacation properly and traveling back to World A instead, afraid you have essentially broken the system.

Can this all be replayed by reverting to a save from where your sim is in HS and still on the first vacation?

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Post by Senorita_Ugly » June 20th, 2018, 6:58 pm

Ah, ok, so it WAS the 'traveling' to MV that screwed things up, and not the marriage? I wasn't sure what the effect of 'traveling' to my Sim's homeworld would have, so i knew there was an element of risk and was prepared to revert to a previous save... but something just occurred to me. The reason I opted for the 'traveling' method is because I DID try to 'return home' by command (as in, the EA standard command) and while the game sent my Sim (and her baby) back to MV, the game itself remained fixed in HS... with a house full of unplayable roommates, and my playable Sims far far away! I recall now - I didn't want to dismiss the roommates before travel, because the trip to MV was only going to be a short one, and my intention was always to return my Sims back to HS and resume life there until I decided what I wanted to do next. When the issue with the unplayable roommates happened, I reverted to a previous save and 'traveled' my Sims over to MV instead.

Given the risk I was taking, the first thing I did once I arrived in MV was to check my real estate. At that point, I'd still retained my vacation home in HS, so I figured I hadn't broken my game after all. It wasn't until after marriage in MV that I noticed that both my vacation home and my vacation status had both gone. Hence me thinking it was the marriage to a MV resident that screwed me over. Anyway, at this point it's no huge deal - I probably CAN revert to a previous save, or just rebuy the vacation home next time I travel to HS using MC's household funds command.

All that said, I never intended to make my Sim a permanent resident of HS - the intention was always that she'd return home to MV at certain points in my game. I'm aware of how to correctly 'switch homeworlds', it's more that I like to play with my Sim 'living abroad', if that makes sense. In this case, I'm guessing what I should have done was used the 'dismiss roommates' command prior to using the 'return home' command?

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Post by igazor » June 20th, 2018, 9:19 pm

I wasn't even aware one could have roommates in vacation mode (other than when attending Uni in Uni World, but that's a special case, not really a vacation, and the game itself pushes those scenarios). And as evidenced by the fact that the game surprisingly sent your sims home and left you with an uncontrollable set of former roommates in the world being played instead of what was expected to happen seems to agree that such is not a great idea to pursue.

I think you might want to revisit your definition of "permanent" residency or I need to use a better word for it. How about "full resident"? There is no reason a sim can't be a full resident of World A, travel to B and be full resident of that one for a while, travel back to A and become a full resident there again (with maybe other stops/full residencies along the way). But a sim can only have one homeworld at a time. Once we start talking about having vacation homes in the same world one expects to be living in and be a full resident of, the game and I are both going to be really confused. You can't be staying in HS on vacation and return to your homeworld for a brief visit on a vacation within a vacation, for example. You can become a full resident of HS and then go back to visit MV temporarily, but you won't be a full resident there anymore unless/until you Switch Homeworlds again.

The marriage question is beginning to confuse me as well. Certainly you can marry a sim if you are in what would currently be treated as a foreign world, but you can't join their household because you are not a resident of that world. The idea there is usually to get the foreign sim to join your household and return home with you. Or become a full resident of that world first, then proceed as in any other.

You may of course dismiss the definitions I am using for permanent (or full) residency and play as you wish instead, that's fine. But then you are kind of on your own as to what's going to happen every time you switch worlds or do something to change the nature of your household as you are kind of bucking the system by doing so.

Unless, of course, others here have had experiences and can offer advice to the contrary. The floor is open. :)

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Post by Senorita_Ugly » June 20th, 2018, 10:45 pm

Yep, you can enable roommate services, though I would've enabled roommate services after setting 'treat as vacation' to false. I'm not sure if roommate services is possible otherwise. It's not the first time I've done this either while on vacation. But yeah, the roommates situation is clearly something to be mindful of when using the 'return home' command. (That's what compelled me to travel to MV the unorthodox way in the first place).

Hmmm, maybe my rationale for not switching homeworlds from MV to HS is unclear, hence the confusion around definitions. Basically, my Sim went to HS to study at the Homeworld University that I'd placed there, earned her degree, got caught up in other things including getting pregnant - all which explains her extended stay. It was never a question of wanting more than one homeworld, or wanting HS to be her new homeworld - MV remains her homeworld. It's just that I prefer to avoid any restrictions imposed when my Sims are on vacation (roommate services are a case in point) - which is why I tend to set 'treat as vacation' to false until I'm ready to 'return home' or travel elsewhere.

It's become clear that the 'vacation within a vacation' to MV is the error here, as you initially pointed out. Your description of what's supposed to happen when you marry a Sim while on vacation is the proof, I'm thinking, because that ain't what happened in this case. When my Sim got married in MV, I was given the option to move into their household (which I did). If this was never supposed to be an option, then my Sim's vacation status must've broken before that point. I guess my confusion arose from when the 'check real estate' command said my Sim still owned a vacation home in HS. But now my thinking is that, given she'd only just arrived in MV, perhaps Error Trap or some other script in the background hadn't run its updates yet (I really don't know, though).

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond. I just wanted to know exactly which point I messed up, which was a bit trickier for me to pinpoint in this case, given that roommates and real estate were a factor this time.

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