Hi there,
So this is probably a weird post considering The Sims isn't exactly realistic, but I've been trying to make the game feel much more realistic (harder; with more taxes the richer you get, etc...), and one thing that bothers me is how Vampires can get pregnant or make another sim pregnant despite being dead and not aging.
I thought that modifying the Vampire caste by sort of copying how the Female & Male castes handled pregnancy would work, but somehow it doesn't. I could simply turn off pregnancy for Vampires by disallowing them to have babies altogether (it works), but that's not really what I want: I want them to be unable to have babies with humans specifically, but still being able to have babies if they're two vampires (or a vampire & a werewolf). I kind of want to emulate Vampyr, in a way.
I did the following:
- created an automatic caste called "Humans", given to all non-occult sim.
- created automatic castes for the other occult species (Witches, Werewolves, Fairies).
- modified the Vampire caste: "Pregnancy: Disallow Participation Caste" setting, selected "Humans" "Witches" and "Fairies"
- modified the Vampire caste: "Pregnancy: Disallow Can be Pregnant Caste" setting, selected "Humans" "Witches" and "Fairies" (optional, tried without it - still doesn't work)
Yet vampires can and do become pregnant / make their partner pregnant even though they belong to the forbidden castes.
What am I forgetting? No matter the combo of settings I'm trying they still can procreate. I mean, that's pretty much the same thing as enabling same-sex pregnancy, right? Females and Vampires basically share the same setting, except "Humans/Witches/Fairies" are replaced by "Females" and it works in one way but not the other.
Thanks for any kind of help!
Can I make a Vampire-Human couple infertile through castes? (but keep Vamp-Vamp fertile)
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Can I make a Vampire-Human couple infertile through castes? (but keep Vamp-Vamp fertile)
This structure sounds like overkill to me. If you set the Allow Participation Castes for Vampires to be Vampires and Werewolves, then that should be it. The Disallow step would not be needed. Or, if you are trying to place restrictions on hybrids, then it should be done the other way around -- would you expect a vampire-fairy to be able to impregnate or become pregnant by a vampire? Since a vampire-fairy would belong to both castes, you could get some randomly unexpected results there.
But the piece that seems to be missing is caste Priority. Your Vampire caste, or any others that you use for this purpose, must have a higher Priority setting than other castes such as Males and Females or age-related ones that may have different settings for these particular options. If a sim belongs to two or more castes that manage the same option, the highest Priority caste for that option gets used. If the castes have equal Priority, then the results are random.
But the piece that seems to be missing is caste Priority. Your Vampire caste, or any others that you use for this purpose, must have a higher Priority setting than other castes such as Males and Females or age-related ones that may have different settings for these particular options. If a sim belongs to two or more castes that manage the same option, the highest Priority caste for that option gets used. If the castes have equal Priority, then the results are random.
Can I make a Vampire-Human couple infertile through castes? (but keep Vamp-Vamp fertile)
Okay, so I remade it all using only "Allow Participation Castes" (Vampires & Werewolves only) & giving the Vampire caste a 255 priority and my female sim can still have a baby with her non-vampire (or werewolf for that matter) husband.
Anyway, I tried remaking the Male/Female castes, creating a male vampire caste, female vampire caste, male non occult, female non occult, etc etc, just to be sure that my female vampire wouldn't have clashing castes (in case the priority setting is bugged) but it still didn't work. Even without the female caste and only one caste defining who can be her partner, she still can have a baby with a guy belonging to an incompatible caste. This is weird because pregnancy doesn't seem to be hardcoded since you can make women impregnating both men & women and men impregnating both men & women, yet in that instance it does seem to be hardcoded ("male can impregnate female").
I guess I'll just make vampires infertile and use the Master Controller to manually trigger pregnancies and births. Doesn't bother me too much since there aren't many vampires in my town and I can manage them all with the Master Controller. Would've prefered it to be automatic but I don't really mind.
This sort of makes me think of the Asari & same sex pregnancy thread that was posted here in November which seems to have concluded the same way.
Thanks for the help anyway! now I know how exactly the pregnancy settings (allow/disallow participation, etc) work, and that's something I never really understood while using the mod (I in fact reinstalled my game but in English this time just to be sure I had the exact same words as in the different guides etc lol)
Anyway, I tried remaking the Male/Female castes, creating a male vampire caste, female vampire caste, male non occult, female non occult, etc etc, just to be sure that my female vampire wouldn't have clashing castes (in case the priority setting is bugged) but it still didn't work. Even without the female caste and only one caste defining who can be her partner, she still can have a baby with a guy belonging to an incompatible caste. This is weird because pregnancy doesn't seem to be hardcoded since you can make women impregnating both men & women and men impregnating both men & women, yet in that instance it does seem to be hardcoded ("male can impregnate female").
I guess I'll just make vampires infertile and use the Master Controller to manually trigger pregnancies and births. Doesn't bother me too much since there aren't many vampires in my town and I can manage them all with the Master Controller. Would've prefered it to be automatic but I don't really mind.
This sort of makes me think of the Asari & same sex pregnancy thread that was posted here in November which seems to have concluded the same way.
Thanks for the help anyway! now I know how exactly the pregnancy settings (allow/disallow participation, etc) work, and that's something I never really understood while using the mod (I in fact reinstalled my game but in English this time just to be sure I had the exact same words as in the different guides etc lol)
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Can I make a Vampire-Human couple infertile through castes? (but keep Vamp-Vamp fertile)
I would have to say those results are unexpected though. Before you set the entire thing aside, have you checked on Sim Options to see if the sims whom you expect to be in a restricted caste (like vampires) have the options you expect? I wonder if the Allow Can Be Pregnant Caste is that might be set on the Males/Females might be getting in the way of the restrictions. Our developer might have to address that question.
Might there be another mod in play, such as Woohooer, that is pushing these pregnancies?
Might there be another mod in play, such as Woohooer, that is pushing these pregnancies?
Can I make a Vampire-Human couple infertile through castes? (but keep Vamp-Vamp fertile)
Yeah, I indeed tried the Sim Options first. My female Sim had exactly what I wanted due to her Castes: can't get pregnant from women (due to the "Female" caste) and can get pregnant from vampires/werewolves. I disabled the "can't be pregnant from [x caste, here females]" setting (can't remember the name, sorry) in order not to have a conflict between the two settings, but to no avail. Still had a child from her husband even though he isn't a vampire or a werewolf.
Woohoer: Well I only set the Try for Baby chance to 100%, to see if it worked everytime I tried or if the option was indeed available but didn't work (no pregnancy). I don't know if the other changes I made to the mod (more autonomous woohoo, teens woohoo with teens only, etc) are in cause, though I don't see why they would have an impact.
Woohoer: Well I only set the Try for Baby chance to 100%, to see if it worked everytime I tried or if the option was indeed available but didn't work (no pregnancy). I don't know if the other changes I made to the mod (more autonomous woohoo, teens woohoo with teens only, etc) are in cause, though I don't see why they would have an impact.