Overwatch Making Skill Gain VERY Fast

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Overwatch Making Skill Gain VERY Fast

Post by MistCover » February 8th, 2019, 12:03 pm

so I originally installed overwatch (after happily playing w storyprogression for eons) because I kept seeing that the solution to my abnormally fast skill gain was this mod. Well, it’s made it worse. One session on he board breaker and my sim went from lvl 7 to lvl 8 of martial arts. It took 4 hours to teach my sim how to drive. I could uninstall the mod, but then I’d still have to deal with faster than average skill gain, and besides, overwatch cleans up a bunch of other nasty bugs.

What can can I do?

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i own University but it’s not currently installed
no one has ever been or is related to a vampire

thank you so much!!!

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Overwatch Making Skill Gain VERY Fast

Post by igazor » February 8th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Hi there, and welcome to NRaas.

This probably isn't documented anywhere, but it has been my experience that it can take a while for Overwatch's impact on too fast skill gains to take hold. A while meaning a few saves and reloads and a couple of instances of its overnight runs, so a couple of sim days perhaps. Some skills seem to be a bit more resistant than others, but can't say I've ever seen evidence of the skill gains getting worse because of the mod's presence (not that I've tested extensively with and without it when this does happen).

Street Art is one I recall where the gains were absurdly fast at first, on a new world. It all calmed down to "normal" and then the skill gain rates became responsive to the impacts of the life span and other additional factors offered by Relativity for those so inclined only to happen again on the next world I played within the same game (Traveler mod connected) and then calm down again.

Have you taken your game through a couple of sim days and a couple of saves, quits, and reloads (the same ongoing game I mean, not different ones or different worlds) since adding Overwatch?

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Post by TreyNutz » February 8th, 2019, 12:58 pm

4 hrs to teach a sim to drive seems about right to me. I've had far longer experiences without Overwatch installed and in some cases have found adding OW back in brings the driving skill gain back to more reasonable levels.

Do you have Relativity installed? If you've used Relativity to slow down the game speed then skill gains will appear to get faster.

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Post by MistCover » February 8th, 2019, 1:28 pm

igazor wrote:
February 8th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Hi there, and welcome to NRaas.

This probably isn't documented anywhere, but it has been my experience that it can take a while for Overwatch's impact on too fast skill gains to take hold. A while meaning a few saves and reloads and a couple of instances of its overnight runs, so a couple of sim days perhaps. Some skills seem to be a bit more resistant than others, but can't say I've ever seen evidence of the skill gains getting worse because of the mod's presence (not that I've tested extensively with and without it when this does happen).

Street Art is one I recall where the gains were absurdly fast at first, on a new world. It all calmed down to "normal" and then the skill gain rates became responsive to the impacts of the life span and other additional factors offered by Relativity for those so inclined only to happen again on the next world I played within the same game (Traveler mod connected) and then calm down again.

Have you taken your game through a couple of sim days and a couple of saves, quits, and reloads (the same ongoing game I mean, not different ones or different worlds) since adding Overwatch?
i let it run for approx 1 sim week before getting frustrated and exiting. I’ll try to reload and see if that fixes it.

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Post by igazor » February 8th, 2019, 1:47 pm

Rereading the first post now...okay, perhaps forget what I said about Street Art. In that case I was talking about skill levels being advanced after five or ten sim minutes then a bit more than that, with double skill gain plus symbols almost constantly coming out of the sim practicing that skill. Trey is right, four hours doesn't sound too far off for learning how to drive on default settings (without Relativity's involvement), there are only three levels to get through on that skill.

One session to advance one skill level in Martial Arts from Level 7 to Level 8 does sound like too fast, depending on how we define a "session," but not to the point of absurdity that I was remembering -- non-vampires could potentially master that skill, all ten levels, in one afternoon if I had let them. Perhaps you are in need of Relativity's skill gain adjustments after checking to see if Overwatch does kick in better after a few reloads.

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Post by MistCover » February 8th, 2019, 2:28 pm

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2 save/reload cycles
set affect active household to true

day 1: no affect. Skill gain still obscenely fast. Martial arts 7-8 still one board breaking session (I had previously exited without saving). Bizarrely, my teen sim is gaining skills at normal speeds. The main sim (dad) is going very fast. My child sim is also going very fast. ???

day 2: sent teen out for a jog and dad set to paint to test speeds. Teens athletic skill goes up very fast. Dads painting skill seems near normal. Send dad to martial arts academy. Martial arts skill increases very fast. 8 to almost 9 in one sitting. Determined to see if this is a some skills problem, I set my child sim to paint. One large painting gets her to level 3 from 0, so that’s also a no go.

Hilarious side note, the repair man is in my hot tub and won’t repair the tub. I know how to fix that I just don’t want to!

day 3: no one is allowed to work on any skills today. Involves watching them like hawks.

Day 4: my fiancé came home for lunch and reccomended disabling the insanity on my insane teen. Swap insane for neurotic. Set dad to paint. Skill seems normal. Set dad to board breaker. 8.75-9.25 in one sitting. Set teen to jog. Skill rising very fast.

Yeah idk at this point

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Post by MistCover » February 8th, 2019, 2:30 pm

Dunno how to edit my post so for the teen athletic I mean 2-4 in one jog from town square to graveyard (sunset valley)

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Post by igazor » February 8th, 2019, 2:49 pm

Just to toss this in here while we are waiting for more feedback from others, the child who was painting -- might they not have had the head start from having read the toddler's art books that pre-build the painting skill? That one doesn't kick in until a sim touches an easel for the first time and can take them as far as Level 3 depending on how many of the books they finished reading; if they had already been painting as a child prior though and were still at Level 0, then of course this doesn't apply.

And also, still not clear on this, but are you using Relativity? That might help soften the skill gains if you set it to scale to lifespans (depending on how long or short your sims' lifespans are), that one is False by default, and you can further throttle the skills individually using Skill Gain Factors between 0 and 1 (so try 0.5 or 0.7 for some of them perhaps). If things normalize after a while and some of these skills become too difficult/take too long to level up, then those settings can be lessened or removed.

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Post by MistCover » February 8th, 2019, 2:50 pm

igazor wrote:
February 8th, 2019, 2:49 pm
Just to toss this in here while we are waiting for more feedback from others, the child who was painting -- might they not have had the head start from having read the toddler's art books that pre-build the painting skill? That one doesn't kick in until a sim touches an easel for the first time or does something painting-related for the first time.

And also, still not clear on this, but are you using Relativity? That might help soften the skill gains if you set it to scale to lifespans (depending on how long your sims' lifespans are), that one is False by default, and you can further throttle the skills individually using Skill Gain Factors between 0 and 1 (so try 0.5 for some of them perhaps). If things normalize after a while and some of these skills become too difficult/take too long to level up, then those settings can be lessened or removed.
no toddler exposure.

I am not using relativity at present present but I may need to get it.

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Post by TreyNutz » February 8th, 2019, 8:51 pm

Any skill gain effects in play? Off the top of my head that would include the skill gain drink from the Mixology skill, the Fast Learner LTR, and the 2 of the fairy auras which affect the gain rate of some skills. Oh, and some of the dreams from the ITF dream pod.

The Martial Arts gains you mention do seem fast to me, assuming by a 'session' you mean until the sim fatigues out (sims who complete the Bodybuilder skill challenge from the Athletic skill won't fatigue out on the board breaker, so a session in that case could be very long).

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