Hi all! first off I just wanted to mention how grateful I am for this Nraas community and all the dedicated users helping each other out sims 3 is not the same w/o Nraas mods!

additionally I wanted to apologize in advance if this has been addressed in the past, I have scoured these threads for the past 3 hours and I couldn't really find anything that was close to the weirdness I just experienced with MC edit in CAS.

I'll try and keep it short, but basically, I accessed MC CAS via a computer in my sim's household to edit in CAS for a homeless sim (Robbie Bland to be exact, I'm not good w/ internet slang but I think he's considered a homeless sim)

before I go into detail, I wanted to note that I *do* have CMAR's XCAS core full 1.69 installed, along with CMAR default/non default skins and nude outfits/meshes

so in MC Edit in CAS, first I switched the sim into his naked outfit so I could see the changes I wanted to make for the skin/body shape, then I went into the tabs to change body shape, skin tone, face shape, hair, eyebrows, costume makeup (I have CC eye contacts installed)

once I made all those changes, I went into the outfits tab to start working on the outfits, right when the everyday outfit loaded, all the changes I made for the skin/face/body and even eyebrows all reverted back to the old ones, oddly though the hair and eye contacts did not revert.

I thought I clicked something that messed up so I exited without saving the changes, then I went back into MC edit in CAS via the computer same way I did the first time, and it happened again O_o;;;

I also tested this on a sim that I created from scratch nearly a year ago, and same thing - if I make changes in MC edit in CAS for body/face or skin then switch into the outfits, it reverts all my changes except hair or makeup.

I didn't get any errors or crashes, my game ran perfectly fine...so I'm not sure if maybe the CMAR XCAS is conflicting with MC edit in CAS?

strangely enough, if I make the same changes using testingcheats CAS, I don't have this issue; and also wanted to note, for the past year I've been using MC stylist for editing clothes/hair/makeup/accessories and didn't have this problem. it only seems to happen in MC edit in CAS; I'm wondering if Stylist is not affected by XCAS since it doesn't touch the "essential" physical features?

I was curious if anyone else has had something similar happen to them

other than that, I've generally always made major body changes using testcheats CAS, and only really used MC stylist for outfit changes. the only reason why I tried editing a sim in MC edit in CAS this time is because they're a homeless sim and were not out anywhere for me to shift click them

also want to note I do not have KW, I have a bunch of NRAAS mods, some CMAR mods and CC.

any thoughts would be awesome! thank you in advance

igazor post_id=73004 time=1585790500 user_id=6716 wrote: Hi there, and thanks for the kind words.

What you are describing will happen when MC CAS (the full version, not Stylist) is used together with XCAS when both mods do not specify exactly the same maximum number of sliders. XCAS does this by way of a tuning file, without which I believe the default is 75. MC does this by way of one of its settings, NRaas > MC > Settings > CAS > Max Sliders (default is 100).

If the two mods allow for different max numbers of sliders, then we have a collision the result of which might be that no slider settings at all will be honored. Stylist is not affected because there are no sliders there and EA's version of CAS is not affected because it doesn't "know" anything about either of these mods, so there you would be working with EA standard only.

I happen to have both mods in play myself, with an XCAS tuning file and MC both set to allow 250. Only when I allowed these two values to diverge from each other at some clumsy moment in the past did I get total slider breakage as described. The reason this happens is that XCAS is a Core Mod while MC is a Script Mod. so they do not cancel each other out exactly when the game loads up.

ahhhh! makes so much sense now! the sliders! @Igazor thank you for such a quick response, always super insightful and detailed

I guess I'll stick to my usual approach and continuing using testingcheats CAS for any slider related changes and MC stylist for clothes

I vaguely recall reading somewhere about setting the max sliders between MC and CMAR XCAS to be the same, I think I left both mods at whatever default it was so they're probably not matching as you mentioned and caused weird stuff to happen

glad I learned something new!

igazor wrote: ↑

April 2nd, 2020, 12:18 am

simsdreams wrote: ↑

April 1st, 2020, 10:08 pm

I guess I'll stick to my usual approach and continuing using testingcheats CAS for any slider related changes and MC stylist for clothes

That's one approach, but I would recommend making the two mods match if they are both to be in use. The MC version of CAS is much more pleasant to use (for most of us) and the rest of the settings we enjoy on the MC > Settings > CAS menu will not be honored when using the EA version.

I searched online for the tuning file you mentioned for XCAS , I couldn't find the download link on either CMAR's blog nor mod the sims, found just archived forum posts discussing it, where did you find the download for the tuning for XCAS?

awesome, thanks!

sooooooo....I think maybe the max sliders isn't the issue....

I downloaded the XCAS tuning file 100, installed it, started up my game, let my game run for a bit, then went into MC settings to change the max sliders to 100, then went into MC CAS via the computer on my lot, and chose robbie bland as my first test subject

switched him into the naked outfit, changed skintone, face and body shape, then went into outfits and bam...my changes reverted again O__o;;;

exited without saving, then tested MC CAS again on an active sim (I access MC CAS by clicking on the active sim), but this time....I didn't switch her into the naked outfit, I went straight to changing the skin/face , then went into outfits and selected formalwear, and my skin/face changes stayed this time!

I'm starting to think this issue is not related to the max sliders, but maybe there's a conflict in MC CAS and the naked outfit I have from CMAR/XCAS? or simply changing the outfit first into a different one before I change stuff like body shape/skintone somehow caused an issue?

also wondering....since I also had to change my MC max slider settings....does this require saving/exiting the game and reloading it?

so I went back into the game to do more testing, I wanted to figure out if the issue was caused by the naked outfit, or just simply changing the outfits first before touching sliders was causing the problem

test 1) went into MC CAS on an active sim, he was in his outerwear. I left the outfit as is, changed body shape/skin tone, then went into outfits, formalwear my changes stayed, exited and didn't save changes

test 2) went into MC CAS on same active sim, he was in his outerwear, I went into outfits, changed him into exercise outfit, then went and changed body shape and skintone, then went back into outfits formalwear, changes stayed, exited and didn't save changes

test 3) went into MC CAS same active sim, left the outfit as is, changed body shape/skin tone, switched into naked outfit, then switched into formalwear, and my changes reverted, exited and didn't save changes

test 4) at this point it was safe to say there's something up w/ the naked outfit. so I wanted to re-test the testingcheats CAS, I went into testingcheats CAS on same active sim, switched into naked outfit, changed body shape and skin tone , went into outfits swimwear, and my changes reverted

based on the tests it seems like it's not MC CAS nor max sliders, there's something up w/ the naked outfit I have from one of CMAR mods, it seems to clear changes made just before or after switching into it, upon changing outfits again

I don't think the CMAR mods I use for the naked outfit are updated any longer, so I guess the workaround is to have the sim wear like swimwear (or just not care) and make slider changes first, save it, then go back and deal w/ the naked outfit

I guess this is also why I didn't notice this issue before, since this is the first time I've tried making changes to both naked outfit and their sliders in one go.

I hope this helps someone!

I'd say this is to be expected. The naked outfit stores their genetics which is copied across the other outfits. If you're editing it without saving it first, it's not going to be copied to the other outfits.